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While things are quite I want to cap the rest of the Season with a view to next year if its successful. I havent time tonight but I will explain all tomorrow but for now I'm basically looking for input on the following games as to why the Books are leaning that way. Not so much to the obvious like recent form but an injury or ban in an important position in their formation.

Wigan/ Birmingham:
leaning to wigan, anything other than recent form?

Fulham/ Sunderland:
Lean to fulham with the draw drifting. something very tangible here!!!!

Blackburn/ Spurs:
lean to spurs with draw drifting. Obvious problem for books is spurs inconsistant play making draw look no chance, anything other We should see?

Thanks in advance and hopefully I will get everything down here Tomorrow. :drink:
 

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u have to consider Arsenal here

newcastle over

i like fulham here, too.

like man city +points, too. Chelsea needs a coach
 

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u have to consider Arsenal here

newcastle over

i like fulham here, too.

like man city +points, too. Chelsea needs a coach

Don't they have one and 2 assistants on top? :think2:
guess in your opinion not enough :lol:

Perhaps the players combination there is the problem.
 

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Blackburn manager Mark Hughes will have his side ready for this game at home fighting for a place in Europe facing an unpredictable Spurs side with nothing to play for other than facing the wrath of Ramos if they get beat.

Personally, although I will not be betting it, I would think + 141 is an extremely generous price on the hosts to win.


Fulham at home + 129 to win is a horrible bet. Two shitty teams fighting for survival no way i'm laying - .5 at odds like that. i would assume the line is based on the fact that sunderland are now in the 'safe zone' following their defeat of Villa last week and Fulham will be balls to wall to win this one. My opinion ? Doesn't matter your motivation here, ?sunderland are not safe and Keane has never in his life dropped his intensity level ever, even if they were safe i wouldn't put any heed into that train of thought.

Wigan + 119 v Birmingham. again two shitty teams fightinf it out in a 6 pointer. I think Wigan will win this one though, Birmingham are poor and will get relegated I believe. Plus you know Steve Bruce wants to stick it up Karen Brady and David Gold's arse and putting them in the bottom three would be the best way to do so.
 

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Blackburn NO PLAY

Blackburn manager Mark Hughes will have his side ready for this game at home fighting for a place in Europe facing an unpredictable Spurs side with nothing to play for other than facing the wrath of Ramos if they get beat. Personally, although I will not be betting it, I would think + 141 is an extremely generous price on the hosts to win.

Sunderland + .5 - 139

Fulham at home + 129 to win is a horrible bet. Two shitty teams fighting for survival no way i'm laying - .5 at odds like that. I would assume the line is based on the fact that Sunderland are now in the 'safe zone' following their shock away defeat of Villa last week and Fulham will be balls to wall to win this one, desperate for points to move out of the drop zone. My opinion ? Doesn't matter your motivation here, when Jimmy Bullard is your best player and Simon Davies is your best goal scoring option you have serious problems. Sunderland have a solid squad (better than Fulham's) and they are not safe. Keane has never in his life dropped his intensity level ever, so even if they were safe I wouldn't put any heed into that train of thought.

wigan - .5 + 119

Wigan + 119 v Birmingham. again two shitty teams fighting it out in a 6 pointer. I think Wigan will win this one though, they are a better team, playing at home and Birmingham are poor and will get relegated I believe. The only reason they are not in the relegation zone was a couple of flukey wins (namely V Spurs) and a bit of luck. Outside of Mc Fadden, they have 0 world class players trying to play in a world class league. Plus you know Steve Bruce wants to stick it up Karen Brady and David Golds arse and putting them in the bottom three would be the best way to do so.
 

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wigan and under
fulham should win
blackburn great price and over is decent too
would never bet man city
 

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Don't they have one and 2 assistants on top? :think2:
guess in your opinion not enough :lol:

Perhaps the players combination there is the problem.

I dunno, Arnesen is the best in the business, when it comes to player personel. Abra is the best when it comes to money. They can chose from all kinds of combinations and have all kinds of tactical freedom with world class players, no i dont think "players combination" (whatever that means) is the problem.

Squad chemistry is, however, a big problem. And tactics are (from my couch) a huge problem. First one falls on coach and management. Maybe more on management (Arnesen, Abra). Second one is entirely on coach.
 

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Blackburn NO PLAY

Blackburn manager Mark Hughes will have his side ready for this game at home fighting for a place in Europe facing an unpredictable Spurs side with nothing to play for other than facing the wrath of Ramos if they get beat. Personally, although I will not be betting it, I would think + 141 is an extremely generous price on the hosts to win.

Sunderland + .5 - 139

Fulham at home + 129 to win is a horrible bet. Two shitty teams fighting for survival no way i'm laying - .5 at odds like that. I would assume the line is based on the fact that Sunderland are now in the 'safe zone' following their shock away defeat of Villa last week and Fulham will be balls to wall to win this one, desperate for points to move out of the drop zone. My opinion ? Doesn't matter your motivation here, when Jimmy Bullard is your best player and Simon Davies is your best goal scoring option you have serious problems. Sunderland have a solid squad (better than Fulham's) and they are not safe. Keane has never in his life dropped his intensity level ever, so even if they were safe I wouldn't put any heed into that train of thought.

wigan - .5 + 119

Wigan + 119 v Birmingham. again two shitty teams fighting it out in a 6 pointer. I think Wigan will win this one though, they are a better team, playing at home and Birmingham are poor and will get relegated I believe. The only reason they are not in the relegation zone was a couple of flukey wins (namely V Spurs) and a bit of luck. Outside of Mc Fadden, they have 0 world class players trying to play in a world class league. Plus you know Steve Bruce wants to stick it up Karen Brady and David Golds arse and putting them in the bottom three would be the best way to do so.

Go with fitz, he knows his stuff.

But I will add, that I dont think fulham at home is a horrible bet. Even with Keanes intensity level, Sunderland are a MEDIOCRE team and get the majority of points @home. And they do have a points cushion compared to Fulham when it comes to the drop. I think that matters.
 

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More on your thoughts later but for now I'll try to explain the situation.

I use the same strategy for all sports which is to start off with Games where the Books make it tight EG 1/2 Goal, 3pts NFL, 4pts NBA etc. The reason for this is that while Books make mistakes on heavy Favourites they can still win while the nearer to EVENS then their mistakes are penalised. Once these games have been selected I price them up to their true line on Monday then log the average and best prices on Monday as the Books open. I do the same on Wednesday and Thursday and by then I have a fair idea how the line has arrived at this point.

By Thursday its fairly common knowledge what the teams are going to be and any problems outstanding so a reasonable opinion can be made concerning the line, this is where the hard work starts and knowledge of the Sport comes in. Basically the Books move the line for reasons I call tangible and intangible, tangible relates to physical things like injuries, suspensions and common perception whereas intangibles relate to situations, tactics and any unknown reason. If the line movement can be vindicated by tangible reasons then a reassessment can be made to see whether there is any value left and be acted on accordingly, however if its intangible, in other words none of the tangible reasons then the Books lean is to be respected if not blindly followed.

So from a personal point, my problem is that while I can bring this to a Thursday with valid lines, movement and leans, I am ignorant as to 1) how important the tangible reasons are, and 2) If there are indeed any in the game. This is where I need the input from Posters how have their finger on the pulse so to speak. take the WIGAN -BIRMINGHAM game for example

True Line: Wigan 2.26 Brum 3.78 Draw 3.43
monday: Wigan 2.2 Brum 3.75 Draw 3.25
wednes: Wigan 2.18 Brum 3.95 Draw 3.31
Thurs: Wigan 2.2 Brum 3.95 Draw 3.35

As I said earlier the Books lean is to Wigan while the other Two drift, is there a tangible reason for this? Brum has two injuries but Wigan have Two suspended so does it really affect the Betting? thats the input I need not particularly an opinion on the outcome of the Game if you see what I mean. If nobody can come up with a tangible reason then the oddsmakers see something nobody else is and therefor worth following. Wigan does have a big advantage in recent form but the betting doesnt really show it, so with that and no other info coming in Wigan would be the Bet. now it would be just a formality of finding the best valued bet, 1X2, Asian, Correct score etc.

Hope thats clear enough and remember, We have all Week to analyise 2-4 Games before making a call on Friday or Saturday. :drink:
 

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anyone considering Arsenal while the Reds rest key players

MrCleo,
The whole point of what I am trying to do is get value in a very sharp market. I will be posting the Arsenal numbers tomorrow but typically this game falls into the tangible box for all the obvious reasons. :drink:
 

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ARSENAL- LIVERPOOL

True line: Arsenal 2.39 Liverpool 3.55 Draw 3.32
Wednes, After game: Arsenal 2.24 Liverpool 3.85 Draw 3.3
Thurs : Arsenal 2.16 Liverpool 4.2 Draw 3.3
Today: Arsenal 2.02 Liverpool 4.8 Draw 3.3

From the viewpoint of this thread we all know the reasons for the movement are tangible and whether there is value is a personal opinion but this game wreaks of all the usual myths surrounding many Sports which 3 would have me concerned.
1) Arsenal are desperate and Liverpool have nothing to play for: Arsenal are desperate because they are not playing well.
2) Liverpool dont care about this Game: If you dont come with your A Game in the Premiership your going to be blown away and Liverpool cannot afford to go into next weeks game on the back of a drubbing.
3) Despite the drop in Arsenals price the draw has stayed solid which tells you that while they acknowledge the Publics views, they are not going on a soft touch on the draw. :drink:
 

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Bets:

Arsenal to Draw (3.36)
Wigan to win (2.2)
Wigan to win 2-0 (11)
 

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ARSENAL- LIVERPOOL

True line: Arsenal 2.39 Liverpool 3.55 Draw 3.32
Wednes, After game: Arsenal 2.24 Liverpool 3.85 Draw 3.3
Thurs : Arsenal 2.16 Liverpool 4.2 Draw 3.3
Today: Arsenal 2.02 Liverpool 4.8 Draw 3.3

From the viewpoint of this thread we all know the reasons for the movement are tangible and whether there is value is a personal opinion but this game wreaks of all the usual myths surrounding many Sports which 3 would have me concerned.
1) Arsenal are desperate and Liverpool have nothing to play for: Arsenal are desperate because they are not playing well.
2) Liverpool dont care about this Game: If you dont come with your A Game in the Premiership your going to be blown away and Liverpool cannot afford to go into next weeks game on the back of a drubbing.
3) Despite the drop in Arsenals price the draw has stayed solid which tells you that while they acknowledge the Publics views, they are not going on a soft touch on the draw. :drink:


Nice analysys ,making a lot of sense and 15 mins to go seems solid.
 

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Winbet - an intangable in that Wigan game is the Steve Bruce v Karen Brady situation. No ?
 

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